In the last show, Cowries and Rice did not manage to have any African perspective on being Black in China versus being African in China. Hosts Winslow Robertson and Dr. Nkemjika Kalu thankfully got in touch with Mr. Kumbukilani Phiri, a Zambian who speaks fluent Mandarin after studying, working, and living in China and who is currently employed at the Sunshine Kaidi New Energy Group. He generously offered his thoughts on the matter. Sadly, there were a few technical glitches so they only managed to have a WeChat conversation, which was recorded after the fact. It is still a great episode!